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Luca

VCS, hmmm...
Tht's a VERY NICE acronym. As somebody heavily involved with industrial processes everywhere, what you just said sounds like "the key".

Rock on, Sig!

sig

Hehe, was pretty happy with it - but still looking forward to the day we have no acronyms to confuse us :D

Bjorn

Since you took the trouble of listing the initial "needs" and your rewrite you might want to share how the actual meeting went.

Thanks

sig

Bjorn, little update added!

Thanks for reminding me - and will keep on reporting - including the times we're thrown out :D

(Smart people those guys and gals, no stuffy title-centric-defend-hierarchies there!)

john

Have been busy lately and was unaware that I'd inspired a series of posts. Having read them, I was still struggling to grab the concept fully (due again to my not speaking the language of programmers for want of a better phrase).

But this post and the subsequent one about potential client meetings have for me been more revelatory - as you suggested before, once someone sees what thingamy actually does it will become much easier for them to grasp the concept.

So I'd suggest that more examples of "pitches" combined with key elements being related back to the your posts about what thingamy is NOT (a good approach by the way in my opinion) will add to everyone's understanding.

For me, the phrase internal corporate wiki has slammed into my head - does that capture any of it?

sig

John, good to hear! And yes, not too far from an "open internal corporate wiki" was the thinking.

I agree fully: Thingamy is an idea, and approach, a way to do things first and foremost - with a product to implement - thus painting the detailed images of the approach in practice is the right thing to do.

Now, blogging openly what one is planning before a meeting with a client is obviously not "what one is supposed to do"! But why not I say... allows me to play with the ideas, even get a helping hand, and if meeting goes wrong (which can happen of course!) then I'd better include that and learn in full openness ;)

Here I should quote Scott Adams when talking about giving speeches to large crowds: "If I’m going to embarrass myself, I want witnesses, and lots of them. The entertainment value seems wasted if only one person notices."

Suspect the day a potential client throws me out you'll get that here...

BTW, the client in question in this post responded afterwards to the SI with this: "if we could get a system going that looked like what Sigurd blogged that would be fine" :D

john

Phew - I'm not as dumb as I was beginning to feel! And I'm not surprised that the client reacted like that - all that should matter to them is that they get a solution that improves their life/business. If they start telling you how to get there, then maybe they're a client you can do without.

Jeff the Poustman

"If they start telling you how to get there, then maybe they're a client you can do without."

Good point John.

I'd add that if *they* start telling *you* how to get there, aren't roles being reversed? I'd have thought you generally bring in an outside voice so you can get input. Unless they were just hiring a programmer to code their pre-existing notions.

I wonder if that isn't often why consultants are hired. Ouch.

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