on a sunny Thursday.
James Governor spurred a 140 char restricted discussion by mentioning some (preposterous?) claims by JBoss about their future marketshare for Enterprise Middleware. Ric picked up the ball and I piped in.
aqualung: @monkchips in 2015 there will be a crapload of middleware workload ... 50% could be a staggering number - beyond JBoss scale?I think we're onto something there - social software is what it's all about - in particular in the BRP space where knowledge workers are all dependent on fast and efficient connections with their fellow knowledge workers, obviously in such a way that the ongoing is captured for future use.sig @aqualung Or there will be little middleware... that depends on keeping or not the "workshoppish" nature of the app based architecture..
aqualung @sig I lean the other way - I think it will ALL be "middleware" ... but connecting people rather than apps
sig @aqualung think we say the same - but that would be a new definition for "middle", like that
sig @aqualung If you saw my last post, I'm into "social software" - connecting people, organising the connections... same as you say I suspectsig @aqualung Thus the middleware of the future will be entirely something different and today's players not the future ones, or what?
aqualung @sig Yes - I see "middleware" as what carries the connections and enables the relationships (WWW as the ultimate "middleware"?)
aqualung @sig and I think the future middleware, although different, will be recognisable; but the players? Open season has begun!sig @aqualung Add the purpose of the organisation (social) you need to add "workflow" to the "relationships" and you have "enterprise"
sig @aqualung The definition of "social software" is wide enough, the current understanding of what it can be is too narrow though
aqualung @sig it could be argued that our current understanding of anything will be proved too narrow ;-0
Now when I bring up the need for a framework for such creative work I get frowns - we've found after all that letting the brain loose is conductive for creative work. While restrictions are counterproductive in a wholesale fashion.
Yes and no I say. The moment the social group has a purpose (like delivering a service or a product or a value), limits and flows have been introduced. And with the slightest set of limits or need for flows a framework is required. Then from the purpose comes a strategy, from the strategy comes goals - each steps that could make good use of a process framework without messing with the creative freedom.
That day social software will be truly enterprisey and the non-social apps oriented enterprise software a thing of the past.
with that in mind I think it more likely Google takes 50% of the new workloads....
Posted by: James Governor | February 14, 2008 at 17:13
James, quite, with their server farms and reach not an impossible thought.
Although, despite the infrastructure and user base they would need the holistic process part - ad-hoc apps like today would not cut it methinks. And the ERP ability one day... and... :)
If they try to mash up the apps with workflow'ish links, a path I suspect would be the natural way forward, I humbly think they will miss the long term solution - that way they would only be copying the MS way and annoy the Seattle'ese (but perhaps that's their overall purpose? :D)
Posted by: sig | February 14, 2008 at 17:42